Re-introducing ourselves to the group

[Noinden]

So in the vein of trying to get some activity going again in the old ARW, lets have an intro thread, to remind each other of who we are.

[Noinden]

Starting with me:

Hi I'm Gareth, most of you remember me as Noinden, that's not a "magical" name (I don't do those). I'm a Reconstructionist Druid, but I have a general interest in Pagan religions as a whole (even if I don't follow the Wiccan cosmology or moral codes).

When I first posted here I was in New Zealand. Near the end of ARW (and ARD) being active groups, I was in Milwaukee Wisconsin. I've now returned to New Zealand. Gainfully employed and slowly climbing my career track. Yes I'm a scientist (senior scientist), no I will not say where.

To go with the new, better spell checked me; I tend to be "more" stingy with personal info. I learned this here and in the US pagan scene. You can't trust people to be morally sound individuals.

Slan agat

Gareth

[aine]

Post by Noinden
Hi I'm Gareth, most of you remember me as Noinden, that's not a "magical" name (I don't do those). I'm a Reconstructionist Druid, but I have a general interest in Pagan religions as a whole (even if I don't follow the Wiccan cosmology or moral codes).
When I first posted here I was in New Zealand. Near the end of ARW (and ARD) being active groups, I was in Milwaukee Wisconsin. I've now returned to New Zealand. Gainfully employed and slowly climbing my career track. Yes I'm a scientist (senior scientist), no I will not say where.
To go with the new, better spell checked me; I tend to be "more" stingy with personal info. I learned this here and in the US pagan scene. You can't trust people to be morally sound individuals.
Slan agat
Gareth

We have phone chatted over the years and kept in touch with FB. Darlin, you be a keeper!

[JJ]

Hello. I'm JJ. I posted as Ravenbear or JJ Ravenbear. I was active
mainly on ARW, ATW, and ARWM off and on from around 1998 until around
2004, stopping by briefly again in 2010. My practice is that of
witchcraft. While I have an interest in many pagan beliefs, I follow no
particular spiritual or religious path.

I'm from the mid-west US. I have a varied background ranging from
electronics and nuclear physics to psychology, private security and the
casino industry among other subjects. I like to study people and try to
determine what makes them tick so at times I tend to come across as
abrasive as I poke and prod to see how people respond. I do enjoy a
good, friendly discussion though and most sarcasm and abrasiveness on my
part is actually meant to be in good humor. I rarely take any
apparently hostile exchanges seriously.

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[zayton]

Zayton: transliteration of a Greek term for "One who seeks".
(Zaytoun would probably have been more accurate;
the a and o are both long;
but I sort of likes the allusion to "Satan".)

United Methodist Pastor, now retired.

Mother and Grandmother
read Greek & Roman myths & Aesop's Fable to me as a small child
along with Bible stories.
Neither my family
nor any of my Sunday School teachers
ever treated the Bible as a source
of information about history or science
but only of theology.

I grew up, therefore, thinking of Christian scripture as
our story, told amid a world of other people/s stories;
each of which had the potential
to illuminate the others.

When I began to read,
I quickly discovered Science Fiction/Fantasy,
and added that to the source of stories
through which I could glimpse other people's
experience and understanding of the world.

My great-grandmother
was an herb doctor.

I never knew her
but my grandmother
had a wealth of knowledge
about plants, weather and people and animals

gained through her
which she imparted
frugally
with the preface
"Old folks used to say...."

When I began to explore the internet
in the 90's
I soon discovered that I tended to upset folks
on the Christian groups.
(and they me)
I found a more comfortable home on ARW.

These days, I hang out mostly on an Atheist group.

[zayton]

On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:24:39 AM UTC-5, zayton wrote:


OK,
I seem to have even
chased the crickets away....

HELLO O O O o o

(makes for a damn fine echo, at least)
((wanders away whistling tunelessly, yet, somehow still off-key))

[Noinden]

As always people will post when they post, the lack of the abrahamic fringe however is a nice change.

[aine]

Post by Noinden
As always people will post when they post, the lack of the abrahamic fringe however is a nice change.

I have rotary phone dial up

[aine]

Post by zayton
OK,
I seem to have even
chased the crickets away....

Yes. You did. Is this your super power?

Post by zayton
HELLO O O O o o
(makes for a damn fine echo, at least)..

allo..allo..
The Worm: 'Allo.
Sarah: Did you say... hello?
The Worm: No, I said "'allo," but that's close enough.
Sarah: Oh... you're a worm, aren't you?
The Worm: Yeah, that's right.
Sarah: You don't by any chance know the way through this labyrinth, do you?
The Worm: Who, me? No, I'm just a worm. Say, come inside, and meet the missus.

Post by zayton
((wanders away whistling tunelessly, yet, somehow still off-key))

The Worm: If he'd 'ave kept on goin' down that way she'd 'ave gone straight to that castle.

[David Dalton]

I was raised Catholic but never really believed in it and
was pretty much an atheist beginning around age 12. I
was also an avid science fiction and fantasy reader.

After my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision
of Sept. 5/6, 1991 I turned neopagan, with my first
deities being Gaia the Earth, which I associate with
my blue rose vision, and Sola the Sun, which I associate
with my sun stare.

These days I consider myself a polytheistic pantheist,
and have eight main deities which I list on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/deities.html . So I
have my own individual neopagan religion but am
not recruiting. But I am pushing some mostly
nonreligious messages listed on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/messages.html .

Both those web pages are subpages of my Salmon on
the Thorns web page, which lists my mystic experiences
over the years and attempts to demonstrate that I
am similar to some past figures including Taliesin (Gwion),
Finn (Fionn), and Amergin, among others.

I've been posting to alt.religion.wicca with my current
e-mail address since December, 1996 but I am pretty
sure I posted earlier than that from
***@MACHINE-NAME.geop.ubc.ca but that doesn't
appear to show up on groups.google.com so
it could be that my earliest post to alt.religion.wicca
was Dec. 17, 1996.

I posted a bit earlier on alt.pagan ,
groups.google.com has an earliest post of
November, 1993, though I thought I had posted
earlier, including with my massive crosspost
Poe-M of mid-June, 1993, which might not be
in the archive since it was to many groups.
But another scan turned up an earliest post of
August 19, 1992, in a thread on pagan fiction.

And groups.google.com seems to say that my
earliest post to alt.religion.druid was
Jan. 5, 1997.

So while I posted to alt.pagan when I was at
The University of British Columbia, I didn't
post to alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.druid
until late 1996/early 1997.

But anyway I've been posting to this group
for 17.5 years. However I am not Wiccan
though I have some Wiccan friends and am
a little Wiccan influenced, and my top deity
is ALL which some Wiccans call The All or The Source.

[David Dalton]

Post by David Dalton
I was raised Catholic but never really believed in it and
was pretty much an atheist beginning around age 12. I
was also an avid science fiction and fantasy reader.
After my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision
of Sept. 5/6, 1991 I turned neopagan, with my first
deities being Gaia the Earth, which I associate with
my blue rose vision, and Sola the Sun, which I associate
with my sun stare.
These days I consider myself a polytheistic pantheist,
and have eight main deities which I list on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/deities.html . So I
have my own individual neopagan religion but am
not recruiting. But I am pushing some mostly
nonreligious messages listed on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/messages.html .
Both those web pages are subpages of my Salmon on
the Thorns web page, which lists my mystic experiences
over the years and attempts to demonstrate that I
am similar to some past figures including Taliesin (Gwion),
Finn (Fionn), and Amergin, among others.
I've been posting to alt.religion.wicca with my current
e-mail address since December, 1996 but I am pretty
sure I posted earlier than that from
appear to show up on groups.google.com so
it could be that my earliest post to alt.religion.wicca
was Dec. 17, 1996.
I posted a bit earlier on alt.pagan ,
groups.google.com has an earliest post of
November, 1993, though I thought I had posted
earlier, including with my massive crosspost
Poe-M of mid-June, 1993, which might not be
in the archive since it was to many groups.
But another scan turned up an earliest post of
August 19, 1992, in a thread on pagan fiction.
And groups.google.com seems to say that my
earliest post to alt.religion.druid was
Jan. 5, 1997.
So while I posted to alt.pagan when I was at
The University of British Columbia, I didn't
post to alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.druid
until late 1996/early 1997.
But anyway I've been posting to this group
for 17.5 years. However I am not Wiccan
though I have some Wiccan friends and am
a little Wiccan influenced, and my top deity
is ALL which some Wiccans call The All or The Source.

And the earliest I posted to alt.magick was
June 7, 1993.

When was alt.religion.wicca created?

[zayton]

Post by David Dalton

Post by David Dalton
I was raised Catholic but never really believed in it and
was pretty much an atheist beginning around age 12. I
was also an avid science fiction and fantasy reader.
After my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision
of Sept. 5/6, 1991 I turned neopagan, with my first
deities being Gaia the Earth, which I associate with
my blue rose vision, and Sola the Sun, which I associate
with my sun stare.
These days I consider myself a polytheistic pantheist,
and have eight main deities which I list on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/deities.html . So I
have my own individual neopagan religion but am
not recruiting. But I am pushing some mostly
nonreligious messages listed on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/messages.html .
Both those web pages are subpages of my Salmon on
the Thorns web page, which lists my mystic experiences
over the years and attempts to demonstrate that I
am similar to some past figures including Taliesin (Gwion),
Finn (Fionn), and Amergin, among others.
I've been posting to alt.religion.wicca with my current
e-mail address since December, 1996 but I am pretty
sure I posted earlier than that from
appear to show up on groups.google.com so
it could be that my earliest post to alt.religion.wicca
was Dec. 17, 1996.
I posted a bit earlier on alt.pagan ,
groups.google.com has an earliest post of
November, 1993, though I thought I had posted
earlier, including with my massive crosspost
Poe-M of mid-June, 1993, which might not be
in the archive since it was to many groups.
But another scan turned up an earliest post of
August 19, 1992, in a thread on pagan fiction.
And groups.google.com seems to say that my
earliest post to alt.religion.druid was
Jan. 5, 1997.
So while I posted to alt.pagan when I was at
The University of British Columbia, I didn't
post to alt.religion.wicca and alt.religion.druid
until late 1996/early 1997.
But anyway I've been posting to this group
for 17.5 years. However I am not Wiccan
though I have some Wiccan friends and am
a little Wiccan influenced, and my top deity
is ALL which some Wiccans call The All or The Source.

And the earliest I posted to alt.magick was
June 7, 1993.
When was alt.religion.wicca created?

arw existed before time began:
It is rumored to be the true source
of all that exists....

Post by David Dalton
--
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"I will stand beside the ocean/and revel in the tide/give myself
up to the rhythm/feel it welling up inside" (Colleen Eccleston)

[Noinden]

Ok well firstly
http://www.arcane-archive.org/occultism/magic/history-of-alt-religion-wicca-1.php

IT claims December 1994.

[aine]

Nope, ATW started first. Like Adam. Eve ARW was taken from it's rib.

[aine]

Post by David Dalton
I was raised Catholic but never really believed in it and
was pretty much an atheist beginning around age 12. I
was also an avid science fiction and fantasy reader.
After my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision
of Sept. 5/6, 1991 I turned neopagan, with my first
deities being Gaia the Earth, which I associate with
my blue rose vision, and Sola the Sun, which I associate
with my sun stare.<

Odd, I had blue rose visions. You seem to not realise they go hand in hand with Mary. The Blue rose in gnostic, is the Mother Mary.

Post by David Dalton
These days I consider myself a polytheistic pantheist,
and have eight main deities which I list on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/deities.html . So I
have my own individual neopagan religion but am
not recruiting. But I am pushing some mostly
nonreligious messages listed on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/messages.html .

You took a wrong turn.

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
I was raised Catholic but never really believed in it and
was pretty much an atheist beginning around age 12. I
was also an avid science fiction and fantasy reader.
After my sun stare/naked thorn hill climb/blue rose vision
of Sept. 5/6, 1991 I turned neopagan, with my first
deities being Gaia the Earth, which I associate with
my blue rose vision, and Sola the Sun, which I associate
with my sun stare.

Odd, I had blue rose visions. You seem to not realise they go hand in hand
with Mary. The Blue rose in gnostic, is the Mother Mary.

No, I do realize that, and note that on
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/christian.html
and if I was still Christian I would
associate the blue rose vision with Mary,
but I am not Christian, and I associate my
blue rose vision with Gaia the Earth.
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.

[aine]

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

Post by David Dalton
and I associate my
blue rose vision with Gaia the Earth.<<

And you replied no

Post by David Dalton
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.<

Only New Age Christians. Apostasy begins the end of times as we know it in Revelations.

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

Post by David Dalton
and I associate my
blue rose vision with Gaia the Earth.<<

And you replied no

Post by David Dalton
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.<

Only New Age Christians. Apostasy begins the end of times as we know it in Revelations.

You sound as though you are Christian, not pagan?

[aine]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

Post by David Dalton
and I associate my
blue rose vision with Gaia the Earth.<<

And you replied no

Post by David Dalton
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.<

Only New Age Christians. Apostasy begins the end of times as we know it in
Revelations.

You sound as though you are Christian, not pagan?<

A pagan cannot know or talk about other religions? A Christian cannot know or talk about paganism and the occult?

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

How do you define God? I define It as ALL, which
is my top-ranked deity.

[aine]

Post by David Dalton

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

How do you define God? I define It as ALL, which
is my top-ranked deity.

I have always defined God, as the one true God. I have always defined gods and goddess's as deity.

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

How do you define God? I define It as ALL, which
is my top-ranked deity.

I have always defined God, as the one true God. I have always defined gods
and goddess's as deity.

How do you define the one true God? If you have no
definition there is no match.

[aine]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

How do you define God? I define It as ALL, which
is my top-ranked deity.

I have always defined God, as the one true God. I have always defined gods
and goddess's as deity.

How do you define the one true God?<

The one and only God who beat the pants off of any pagan god or goddess whom have always been nothing more then fallen angels who beguiled humans into magic.
I have never believed that God and Jesus do not exist and rule. I only believed I had gifts that God and Jesus did not give me and I disrespected them by not being able to not use them. They came natural and Priests and Pastors told me I was evil.

If you have no definition there is no match.<

There never has been. Name more then a handful of pagans, magic(k)als, Druids, alchemists, left hand pathers whose lives were ever Blessed with financial gain, well paying jobs, good health or non chaos? Many here are cursed from the old days and are dead and gone or lay in a heap of "sh**".

No pagan god or goddess has a covenant with humans. They all have their own Hel. They play mind games. They help or they do not for their own amusement. They gave "you" the gift of perineum clicks. Pfft.. really? wow! And...for what 10 years or more you still have trouble deciphering them and are in the same spot you were back then. Ya... truth. Those in arw who think they are so magical can't blow a candle out. I watch them. Job problems, health problems and early death follow the one who did death working spells. Claim her as a friend and your life will spin.

One True God. More powerful, more magical and a covenant with his people.

--
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." (Bob Dylan)

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

How do you define the one true God?<

The one and only God who beat the pants off of any pagan god or goddess whom
have always been nothing more then fallen angels who beguiled humans into
magic.
I have never believed that God and Jesus do not exist and rule. I only
believed I had gifts that God and Jesus did not give me and I disrespected
them by not being able to not use them. They came natural and Priests and
Pastors told me I was evil.

If you have no definition there is no match.<

There never has been. Name more then a handful of pagans, magic(k)als,
Druids, alchemists, left hand pathers whose lives were ever Blessed with
financial gain, well paying jobs, good health or non chaos? Many here are
cursed from the old days and are dead and gone or lay in a heap of "sh**".
No pagan god or goddess has a covenant with humans. They all have their own
Hel. They play mind games. They help or they do not for their own amusement.
They gave "you" the gift of perineum clicks. Pfft.. really? wow! And...for
what 10 years or more you still have trouble deciphering them and are in the
same spot you were back then. Ya... truth. Those in arw who think they are so
magical can't blow a candle out. I watch them. Job problems, health problems
and early death follow the one who did death working spells. Claim her as a
friend and your life will spin.
One True God. More powerful, more magical and a covenant with his people.

So you define God as the most powerful being?

There are various definitions of God:

1. the all powerful being
2. the most powerful being
3. the all powerful creator (Nicene creed)
4. the creator (Genesis)
5. the personification of perfect love
6. the best being (but by whose measure? I say ALL's.)
7. a historical definition (e.g. the God of Abraham)
8. an organizational definition (e.g. God as defined
by the Roman Catholic church, which I think is
the same as 3)
9. a dictionary definition (e.g. in my Concise Oxford
God is defined as Supreme being, Creator and Ruler
of universe, though universe is defined as all
existing things, whereas I define it as spacetime
and its contents and define ALL as all existing things)
10. the father of Jesus
11. the one who was incarnated as Jesus
12. an internal definition, similar to and perhaps identical
to one's internal definition of love

I believe that no being can be both 1 and 5 but it
may be possible that some being can be both 2 and 6.

So which, if any, of the above definitions do you use?
If none, what is your definition of God?
Again if you have no definition there is no match.

I believe that my top deity or Deity ALL matches 3 above
and my second deity LOVE2 matches 5 above. And many
Wiccans believe that their deities are aspects of ALL
(but I don't believe that any of my deities other than
ALL are aspects [other names] of ALL; they are subsets
of ALL, as I am). Also obviously ALL is not perfect,
and in Its image we are also not perfect.

[aine]

So you define God as the most powerful being?<

The only and unlimited most powerful Being.

There are various definitions of God:<

To which I will inject that your following list has many man made ideas of what God is that are not Scriptual based.

1. the all powerful being
2. the most powerful being
3. the all powerful creator (Nicene creed)
4. the creator (Genesis)
5. the personification of perfect love
6. the best being (but by whose measure? I say ALL's.)
7. a historical definition (e.g. the God of Abraham)
8. an organizational definition (e.g. God as defined
by the Roman Catholic church, which I think is
the same as 3)
9. a dictionary definition (e.g. in my Concise Oxford
God is defined as Supreme being, Creator and Ruler
of universe, though universe is defined as all
existing things, whereas I define it as spacetime
and its contents and define ALL as all existing things)
10. the father of Jesus
11. the one who was incarnated as Jesus
12. an internal definition, similar to and perhaps identical
to one's internal definition of love
I believe that no being can be both 1 and 5 but it
may be possible that some being can be both 2 and 6.<

What you, I or anyone "believes" is possible is limited by our human thinking brains. What a human "believes" does not make it so anymore then a liar who repeats a lie, believes it himself and tries to get others to believe it just because they say it is so.

You cannot believe God can be 1 and 5 because you have a skewed idea of what "perfect love" is. Or even just "love". The original word for love in the Bible was "agape" (aga'pe.) It is a Greek word. English translation, the closest we could come since we have no word to encompass all that agape is perfect love and started warping it into our definition of love which includes alot of warm fuzzy or romance. Respectful, nice and non punishing.

Perfect Love to God includes discipline. The same as my love for my kids which includes consequences for their actions or I would not be a loving parent.

So which, if any, of the above definitions do you use?<

1 thru 11. Your number 12 is based on human perception of what love is and that always comes from a persons past, ideals and ethics. Personality traits and mental health.

I will include the Roman Catholic definition for the sake of they started with good intentions. I am not a fan or follower of changing a religion through the years from corruption and greed. Nor do I take kindly to them adding rules and regulations that are not based on Scripture.

If none, what is your definition of God?
Again if you have no definition there is no match.<

You are the only one trying to "match" yours against mine. What you decide in life is between you and God. If He calls you, it is your choice to accept Him or not.

God does speak of "other Gods and Goddess's" in the beginning. Then Scripture refers to them as being dead and talks alot of people making idols of "dead" gods who do not exist. He talks of people in the woods making shrines under trees, worshipping the sun and moon and the Horned God and the pagan goddess Asherah, also known as Astarte.

They existed. At least in peoples minds and for me it is not a hard stretch to say they were most likely the Fallen Angels that were wiped out when the earth flooded with Noah which is why Scripture starts refering to them as dead. That is my thinking, I could easily have it wrong without a more detailed playbook.

Such is life, if He created it, He has rules.

Pagans dismiss the idea of God even though they believe their own gods or goddess's are full of the same supernatural power. Why? Because He has rules. Because He has consequences.

Pagans love the idea they can change fate by their own powers and manipulation of their deity by sacrifices. Pagans love feeling they are that important and that powerful. Yet, in all my years here in arw..in all my years in real time groups of magickals and pagans..I have not seen their power to do squat or their deity do squat short of giving them just enough movement of wind to blow a flame at the right second, just enough intuition to believe they are powerful psychics, just enough throw of the tarot or divination to get it right 1 out of what 100 times? To keep people thinking they have this power and their deity is working with them.

Instead of questioning me about what God is.. Let me ask you... what has your divination and your god/goddess brought you? By your own posts it is obvious you struggle daily trying to figure it all out and are no further now then you were 10 or more years ago.

I believe that my top deity or Deity ALL matches 3 above
and my second deity LOVE2 matches 5 above. And many
Wiccans believe that their deities are aspects of ALL
(but I don't believe that any of my deities other than
ALL are aspects [other names] of ALL; they are subsets
of ALL, as I am). Also obviously ALL is not perfect,
and in Its image we are also not perfect.
--
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"When love comes to town, I'm gonna jump that train
When love comes to town, I'm gonna catch that flame." (U2)

[David Dalton]

Post by aine
Instead of questioning me about what God is.. Let me ask you... what has your
divination and your god/goddess brought you? By your own posts it is obvious
you struggle daily trying to figure it all out and are no further now then
you were 10 or more years ago.

I believe that my top deity ALL is the same as the Christian God.
However ALL is not perfect and is not perfectly good.

None of my eight main deities are anthropomorphic or gendered.

They have given me some very powerful mystic experiences
including my sun stare and blue rose vision of 1991 but
also some more since then, including my Extinction Reel
message from ALL which has been largely ignored so far.

But my low years, which began on Jan. 29, 1996, and
the associated perineum click divination, have largely
been a learning experience in which I have gone down
a lot of wrong paths that I hopefully won't repeat,
and my belief system has evolved to its current state
and may yet evolve further when the low years end, if
not before.

Also in John Matthews book Taliesin..., on p. 90, is the following quote:

Seven years your right, under a flagstone, in a quagmire,
Without food, without taste, but the thirst you ever torturing,
The law of the judges your lesson, and prayer your language:
And if you like to return
You will be, for a time, a Druid, perhaps.
(Ancient Irish Poem)

From that and other related writings including that of
Taliesin (Gwion Bach) I hope that my low years will end
soon and a period of sustained productive creativity
will begin. But this might not occur until my main
human inspirer Sarah McLachlan comes to St. John's
in November, around first quarter moon (D-moon).

[David Dalton]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
but I am not Christian,

Possibly God was calling you back..

Post by David Dalton
and I associate my
blue rose vision with Gaia the Earth.<<

And you replied no

Post by David Dalton
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.<

Only New Age Christians.

And Mexican Christians, as far as I know.

[aine]

Post by aine

Post by David Dalton
But some people associate Mary with Mother Earth.<

Only New Age Christians.

And Mexican Christians, as far as I know.<

Most Hispanic people are Catholic and do not define her as Mother Earth.

[aine]

Post by Noinden
So in the vein of trying to get some activity going again in the old ARW, lets have an intro thread, to remind each other of who we are.

I am aine. Nuff said.

[aine]

Post by Noinden
So in the vein of trying to get some activity going again in the old ARW, lets have an intro thread, to remind each other of who we are.

I am Angelique Bouchard. Depends on which outfit I am wearing.